Cyber-Bully

The purpose of this page is to answer the questions and the false accusations against me, from the Facebook post of Joshua Illencik, dated September 2nd at 4:47 pm , in the Chameleon's Gone Wild FB Page-saying "the Seller had a bad experience" and questioning 'whether the animal was abused or ill or what had occurred by me, the Buyer'.

How the Chameleon Sale Was Made

I Did Not Leave on Hot Porch For Hours

My plans for keeping cham cool. It does not get reach the 90's until 5pm.

There were accusations that I "left the chameleon out, on the porch, in the hot California heat for hours to cause" his debilitated condition.

I went back and forth with Seller to make sure the shipping was done on a cool day.

I informed the Seller, (see screenshot on the left), of my intent to have the cham brought inside by a family member, to an air conditioned home immediately upon delivery, which I did at 10:30 am. I came home at 1pm to open the box.

I wrote instructions on Paypal to insure delivery on a day below 90 degrees. (See Paypal screenshot).

I texted Seller, on morning of delivery, to let me know when cham was delivered (see screenshot)

text message to show that I was on top of the delivery

Tail, Husbandry, or Abuse Questions

For those that doubt that this video was taken at shipping arrival- you can hear in the video that I asked my granddaughter if she was recording from her Ipad. Below is the screenshot of Viber, where she sent me the video (from her dad, Justin's account)- Note the date of the video delivery. Also note that there was no lump near the left eye on the cham, which I first noticed on the day I gave cham to Jason Tillman.

Below also is screenshot of the arrival date & time:

Message from Seller telling of delivery after I asked him to let me know

Tail Coloration Shows on Smartphone, not Desktop Screen

This cham arrival was posted just the day before of the masaola boy's arrival, who I chose not to post, so as not to embarass the Seller, of his poor appearence

Watch this video if you had questions about whether I injured the tail or performed inadequate husbandry.
The tail discoloration does not show on desktop screen very well. View from your phone

LOOK FOR DISCOLORATION NEAR TAIL TIP FROM A SMART PHONE THAT HAS BETTER DETAIL IN COLOR DISTINCTIONS

I took this video with the intent to post his arrival on the cham pages in Facebook, with video or camera shots (see my camera phone in the video all set to take pictures), like I did a day before, with the arrival of a baby NosyBe. (see screenshot). But because this cham did not appear healthy, did not look attractive, or look in anyway what I was expecting- I did not post in Facebook because I did not want to embarass the Seller or draw attention to a cham that looked like this.

Toward the end of the video you will see the discoloration of the tail, at the exact same location of the existing tail injury shown in the images produced by James Tillman upon receiving the chameleon from me. I did notice the tail was tightly wrapped around his own rear leg, while he was in bag during shipment.( I removed him from the bag again so she could take her video.)

This video shows you that the chameleon came to me with a problem with his tail already. It hadn't turned into a structural change yet, only in the initial color change, in a segment of the tail, before the breakdown of tissue which showed up later.

Note the severe dehydrated condition, and the lack of fat, of the chameleon was in upon receipt. Look at the tail of this alleged 6 months old male.
(The video is currently rendered "unlisted" in Youtube, it is not viewable to the public.)

"Is she a boy or a girl?" I was told I was getting a boy, but it was confusing because the box was labeled "girl Masaola". When I asked the Seller, he explained he recycles all of his shipping supplies, hence the "girl" label on the box. If so, I don't know if the bags of WC have been sterilized before re-use or not. (see screenshot)

When I informed Seller that cham was hardly eating, he told me that he eats 15 crickets a day (see screenshot) and that he was healthy and very active when he shipped him.

Proof I Videotaped Chameleon On Delivery

There are some people saying that I videotaped the cham, after I got him sick with poor husbandry.
# 1. This videotape was delivered to me on July 27th, via 'Justin's Viber text' (my granddaughter). - I got the cham on July 23rd. I texted Seller of his poor condition on July 23rd (see screenshot on the right).
# 2. Also, in the video, there is no swelling near the left eye- which showed up the day I returned cham.

Text message of video received from granddaughter, (who made the video).

I Did Not Delay Return of Chameleon

I was falsely accused of delaying the return of the chameleon. Initially, I was going to try and fund the treatment for chameleon, but it was difficult with no poop and he was in such poor condition -so I asked for refund and I wanted a quick return before chameleon's further deterioation. But I could not return because I was waiting on 2 things from Sellers. # 1. Seller delayed sending me back refund # 2. Seller told me to wait for his shipping materials to use for the return, shipping materials which never came. (See screenshots). It was good that I did not listen to this conditions from him for the return)

Seller is saying he will refund on the 29th Wednesday. He told me this 3 days after I received chameleon, showing on his text post, dated July 26th.
The reason he said for refund delay was that he did not have funds due to paying 2 house payments & cars.

My funds for purchase, to him, was sent to him on July 10th (see image). July 10th, when he recieved payment, to July 26th- when he was asked to refund, is 17 days-and he stated he could not refund . (Note: I did NOT get his refund on the 29th)

After 17 days from sending payment to Seller, Seller was not yet able to refund. This request was Day 3 of having cham.

Buyer:'He's Not Well'... Seller:'Oh? He Was Active & Ate 15 Crickets Day BEfore'

Message to Seller informing of cham condition and not eating- Seller saying, 'he ate 15 crickets and usually active'. Dated July 23rd

Does Not Eat, Not Active

Message to Seller informing of his condition dated July 25th

Refund Request Delayed

Seller: He Was Fine When HE LEft". "I'll Mail Everything You Need (To ship)

Seller stating he will send return shipping material

Seller stating that he sent to me return shipping materials- they never arrived

August 1st- Still No Refund or Packaging Material Received, yet Promised by Seller

Refund promises, again, on 7/29 and 7/31

Refund, less return shipping, received August 2nd

8/4/15 Buyer Still Asking For Sellers Address, Shipping Materials, & Funds for the Return

Shipping Materials with Address Never Recieved As Promised

Buyer Trying to Expedite This Return ASAP

I was falsely accused of delaying the return of the cham. In these texts, you will see me chasing the Seller for the return.

Buyer Initiating Expedient Return ~ Seller Turning Blame on the Buyer

Seller sent these pics after the return accusing me of abusing cham. Cham actually gained weight during stay with me.

Tail Injury Site is Seen in Video Above ~ If the Tail Was Damaged In My Care > Why Didn't Jason Notice IT When He Carried the Cham & Transferred Chameleon to His Cage, As He Observed the Eye Injury & Pointed It Out To me, As He inspected the Chameleon Upon Return In My Presence, Unless the Tail Injury Happened While In Jason's Care?

Buyer explained to Seller that cham was observed rubbing eye on branch often.

Text message from Seller to Buyer, accusing of Buyer abuse

Pre-Sale: Alleged 'Recent' Pictures | Condition Of Chameleon At Pre-Purchase | Eye Injury Question

Here are the pictures given to me when I requested recent pictures of the cham. Notice the injury under and near the left eye -which could have developed into the lump seen on the pictures taken by Jason Tilman after I returned cham. In any event, the pictures of health in the "recent" below does not closely resemble the health of the cham in the video.

2 Days After Receiving Chameleon Pictures

The above pictures were taken 2 days after having the cham. He does not look like in the same condition as the "recent" pictures.

Tail & Eye Injury Images After return

Here are the pictures taken by Jason Tillman, after I returned the chameleon, after having chameleon approxiamately 3 weeks. I told the Seller that I saw the cham constantly rubbing eye on tree branch in cage. There was no way I could have slammed door on the chameleon's tail- he never moved! He laid in same spot, with eyes shut - hardly mobile.
He wouldn't eat either- no silkworms, only twice hornworms, no dubia, every other to third day a few crickets. Regarding Joshua Illencik's inference on my personal Facebook post and on the Chameleon Page - no I did not abuse this animal and then ask for a refund. I did provide care, hydration and attempts to feed this chameleon. He did gain weight while in my care.
No- I did not have any animals or humans that came in contact with this chameleon, where he could be injured or attacked.

My Actions to Speed the Return & Why I left After the Return in a Hurry

I was pointed out on the FB post, that I delayed the return (see screenshot), and in Jason Tilman's allegations, that I ran away from him after giving him the chameleon. It was not true that I did not want him to inspect chameleon- I did want him to see the chameleon to prove the condition he was in upon delivery. I told him prior to meeting that I had an appointment to go to (see screenshot)

Unexpected Text From Seller

* Post Note: As of September 4, 2015, I have not received any shipping materials from Seller